Full disclosure: I don’t hate anyone. I dislike how people act and their decisions that negatively affect others just trying to make shit work.
That was, and is, my entire issue with this fucking weird culture war we’re in. My belief? There’s a particular segment of society that cares more about themselves and their lives than the lives of others.
I’ve accepted that a portion of Canada values human life, and a part does not.
I’ve called anyone who thinks this has been a “pandemic” a loser, cognitively delayed, selfish mouth breather, etc. All from a distance without the benefit of having a real conversation connected to the pandemic/convoy movement. But I need to understand ‘why,’ and I needed to talk about it with someone whose views oppose mine.
Enter 25-year military vet Tom Marazzo is one of the “Organizers” of the Convoy, and he agreed to tell me what he believes. It was A LOT.
After we exchanged a few shitty tweets, we agreed to talk personally.
I wanted to know his origin story. How did Tom Marazzo go from a career military guy and teacher to one of the faces of the anti-vax,anti-mask, anti-mandate convoy movement?
Does Tom think 85% of vaccinated Canadians are crazy?
Does Tom think vaccinated Canadians took an experimental jab?
Does Tom think we’re going to die in the next five years?
How does Tom’s history play into Tom’s subjective reality
How does someone come to believe what they believe?
For the first 20 minutes, Tom told us about his disdain for the government and how his 25 years of service have affected his trust score in this government.
Then he got into how that morphed into his involvement in the Convoy.
I asked Tom about agreeing to give his life for his country through 25 years of military service and how that sense of duty stops at getting vaccinated, and how he was roped into standing up for 6 million unvaccinated people who felt like him and the role his immunocompromised son played in him not getting vaccinated?
It felt like a coffee talk where I saw what went into making someone give it all up over vaccines, masks and mandates.
And it all came out.
- Tom’s history affected his present.
- Tom’s frustration with being constantly passed over during his military career.
- Tom losing his University teaching gig over vaccine mandates.
- How Tom’s research emboldened his belief system.
- What Tom thinks will happen to vaccinated Canadians in 5 years or less (Cancer).
- Tom doesn’t believe anyone in Ottawa who said they were negatively affected by the Convoy.
- Tom also thinks all of this is the government’s fault. All governments and the negative impact of his actions and those of others involved in the convoy movement are not their fault either. They were forced into locking down border crossings and the nation’s capital.
That’s what stood out to me the most. The void of personal responsibility and concern for others who didn’t identify with his/their worldview. I told him that several times. I wasn’t there to convince him.
I gathered that Tom and others seem to believe their rights usurp the rights of others. They feel like 30 million vaccinated Canadians forced their hand when we didn’t stick up for their rights to remain unvaccinated or not wear masks when they work and travel with others during a national health crisis.
The fly in the ointment? Tom doesn’t beleive this is happening to the extent the rest of the medically educated world does, according to his research. That’s his reality, and he acts on it.
I didn’t platform Tom. I started a conversation that I hope can continue. That was a “get to know you” meeting, and I hope to have more of those.
If you watched it, you know I actively beleive the exact opposite of whatever Tom believes.
I can’t square how hurting people you don’t know makes people sympathetic to your cause. It never works and has always been my issue with protests.
Hurting someone to get what you want is lunacy to me. In every capacity, it’s wrong. If your belief system tells you otherwise, I think you need a new belief system. That belief system has negatively impacted Tom’s life and the lives of everyone involved with these angry preventative movements. The only way to sanitize any of it is to have a conversation, and I want to have more of them. We can disagree and still try to make sense of that disagreement, right?
Dean stayed true to his word, as I believed he would. The goal was respectful discourse, that’s what we achieved. Regardless of how people feel about either of us, it worked! I wish we all did this, with each other, 2 years ago!! Thanks Dean. It was worth doing!
— Tom Marazzo (@TomMarazzo) September 8, 2022
We can’t effect change unless we learn what we think we already know.
Pretty simple shit.